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Comments on: Keeping Christ in Halloween. http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/ Singer Songwriter Storyteller Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:46:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Randman http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/comment-page-3/#comment-6031 Randman Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:52:42 +0000 http://stevebell.com/?p=4948#comment-6031 Oy veh! How can we keep Christ “in” something that He was never part of? Okay, I oscillated for a few days, debating whether or not I should respond to your blog (I rarely respond to blogs). My initial reaction was, “Hey Steve, what were you thinking? And what ‘possessed’ you to do such a thing?” LoL! Surely you weren’t surprised by the hits you would receive? I read several posts on your site and expected to see a range of emotions/opinions, (Scripture quotes, indicating how Yahweh feels about pagan celebrations etc.) I can understand and appreciate what you are saying, with your emphasis on doing something “Christ-like” on that day, (as any other day) but for those who do not feel obligated to do something on that day or those who choose to abstain from having anything to do with Halloween, we would like to offer another alternative. There is another way, a better way and we prefer to take the discussion to another level. We recognize that there are Believers who understand the true origins of this day, that this ‘celebration of death,’ actually pre-dates Irish/Catholic/Druidic roots, as you know. Ancients Danites (from the tribe of Dan) migrated to northern Europe and the British Isles, and embraced Babylonian “mythos.” The ancient Babylonians had a pagan god called Samas. “...from the Amorite period the major name for Satan was Samael” Jewish legend says 'Samael-Samiel' is the angel of death and the head of the devils. The Greek rendering of the word 'Samael' is 'Sammane'.” (The Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 5, page 1020 and Vol. 14, page 719) My point is simply this. I understand where you are coming from, with respect to your beliefs about St. Patty’s approach, but rather than look for alternate ways for people to interact or find other virtuous deeds to do on that day or “Christianize” or baptize this pagan celebration (in some way), and you cannot avoid having people feel that they are compromising their faith (knowing from His word how Yah feels about Israelites embracing pagan religion), we simply prefer to tell people the truth about these pagan days and share the TRUTH with them regarding Yahweh’s festive celebrations ( His holidays or Holy Days). Yahweh calls them “My Feasts” in Leviticus chapter 23 (they are not feasts of the Jews, although the Jews are among the few who observe them). We observe the very same festivals that Yeshua (Jesus) observed, the same festivals that the Apostles and the early church observed. My personal beef with those who look for ways to “re-interpret” or Christianize pagan days, is this. Pagan celebrations teach absolutely nothing about God’s plan of salvation for mankind, whereas God’s Holy Days do! All seven Festivals are very rich in meaning and contain deep spiritual truths for Yah’s people, for those who have embraced the New Covenant in Yeshua the Messiah. Many pass out salvation tracts on this day, but few tell unbelievers the real alternative to these days. Understanding, observing, and walking in the footsteps of Messiah (including His Holy Days) will enrich our spiritual lives and lead us to a greater understanding about Yahweh, His Son, and His plan for all mankind. As Yeshua said, those who worship the Father, will worship Him, in “spirit and in truth,” as the Father is seeking such, who will worship Him, His way. IF Yeshua is the Lord of our lives, then he is certainly the Lord in our observances! Anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter. Love to all. Thanks again for your recent concert in Winnipeg; we have always enjoyed your music ministry and God-given talents. Shalom, Randy Oy veh! How can we keep Christ “in” something that He was never part of?

Okay, I oscillated for a few days, debating whether or not I should respond to your blog (I rarely respond to blogs). My initial reaction was, “Hey Steve, what were you thinking? And what ‘possessed’ you to do such a thing?” LoL! Surely you weren’t surprised by the hits you would receive?

I read several posts on your site and expected to see a range of emotions/opinions, (Scripture quotes, indicating how Yahweh feels about pagan celebrations etc.)

I can understand and appreciate what you are saying, with your emphasis on doing something “Christ-like” on that day, (as any other day) but for those who do not feel obligated to do something on that day or those who choose to abstain from having anything to do with Halloween, we would like to offer another alternative. There is another way, a better way and we prefer to take the discussion to another level.

We recognize that there are Believers who understand the true origins of this day, that this ‘celebration of death,’ actually pre-dates Irish/Catholic/Druidic roots, as you know. Ancients Danites (from the tribe of Dan) migrated to northern Europe and the British Isles, and embraced Babylonian “mythos.”

The ancient Babylonians had a pagan god called Samas. “…from the Amorite period the major name for Satan was Samael” Jewish legend says ‘Samael-Samiel’ is the angel of death and the head of the devils. The Greek rendering of the word ‘Samael’ is ‘Sammane’.” (The Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 5, page 1020 and Vol. 14, page 719)

My point is simply this. I understand where you are coming from, with respect to your beliefs about St. Patty’s approach, but rather than look for alternate ways for people to interact or find other virtuous deeds to do on that day or “Christianize” or baptize this pagan celebration (in some way), and you cannot avoid having people feel that they are compromising their faith (knowing from His word how Yah feels about Israelites embracing pagan religion), we simply prefer to tell people the truth about these pagan days and share the TRUTH with them regarding Yahweh’s festive celebrations ( His holidays or Holy Days).

Yahweh calls them “My Feasts” in Leviticus chapter 23 (they are not feasts of the Jews, although the Jews are among the few who observe them).

We observe the very same festivals that Yeshua (Jesus) observed, the same festivals that the Apostles and the early church observed. My personal beef with those who look for ways to “re-interpret” or Christianize pagan days, is this. Pagan celebrations teach absolutely nothing about God’s plan of salvation for mankind, whereas God’s Holy Days do! All seven Festivals are very rich in meaning and contain deep spiritual truths for Yah’s people, for those who have embraced the New Covenant in Yeshua the Messiah. Many pass out salvation tracts on this day, but few tell unbelievers the real alternative to these days.

Understanding, observing, and walking in the footsteps of Messiah (including His Holy Days) will enrich our spiritual lives and lead us to a greater understanding about Yahweh, His Son, and His plan for all mankind.

As Yeshua said, those who worship the Father, will worship Him, in “spirit and in truth,” as the Father is seeking such, who will worship Him, His way. IF Yeshua is the Lord of our lives, then he is certainly the Lord in our observances!

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter. Love to all. Thanks again for your recent concert in Winnipeg; we have always enjoyed your music ministry and God-given talents.

Shalom,

Randy

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By: Nadine http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/comment-page-3/#comment-5941 Nadine Thu, 03 Nov 2011 00:01:09 +0000 http://stevebell.com/?p=4948#comment-5941 Thank-you Steve. My lovely sis-in-law sent me a link to your site and this article about Halloween and it's been very helpful. My birthday is a couple days before Halloween and growing up I had a number of costume theme birthday parties, etc because of it. I have children now and have always made a point of emphasizing the things God has created that have become symbols in Halloween decoration: black cats, bats, pumpkins, spiders and even skeletons (we all have one!). We go out in our communtiy and try to make connections with our neighbours and also enjoy welcoming them to our door and generously giving them a treat. This year my children were unfortunately exposed to a prank someone played where a motion sensor set off some scary music and set some scary ghosts on wires in motion. One of my children screamed and the other nearly fell down the staircase leading to this woman's door. It was only 6:30pm! Also, there were a lot of yards decorated with headstones and coffins with vampires or zombies in them, etc. I ended up not sure about what we'll do next year and am concerned about the images I have allowed my children's sweet innocent eyes to take in. My plan is to jump right into Christmas now and try to keep the focus on Christ alone. We have a number of traditions we follow that work well. One is our Jesus wreath. We decorate it with ornaments that represent parts of the Christmas story from the bible and read the story before and after we decorate it. It hangs in our entry way and is a great reminder throughout the season of what Christmas is all about. Thanks again for your wisdom. Thank-you Steve. My lovely sis-in-law sent me a link to your site and this article about Halloween and it’s been very helpful. My birthday is a couple days before Halloween and growing up I had a number of costume theme birthday parties, etc because of it. I have children now and have always made a point of emphasizing the things God has created that have become symbols in Halloween decoration: black cats, bats, pumpkins, spiders and even skeletons (we all have one!). We go out in our communtiy and try to make connections with our neighbours and also enjoy welcoming them to our door and generously giving them a treat. This year my children were unfortunately exposed to a prank someone played where a motion sensor set off some scary music and set some scary ghosts on wires in motion. One of my children screamed and the other nearly fell down the staircase leading to this woman’s door. It was only 6:30pm! Also, there were a lot of yards decorated with headstones and coffins with vampires or zombies in them, etc. I ended up not sure about what we’ll do next year and am concerned about the images I have allowed my children’s sweet innocent eyes to take in. My plan is to jump right into Christmas now and try to keep the focus on Christ alone. We have a number of traditions we follow that work well. One is our Jesus wreath. We decorate it with ornaments that represent parts of the Christmas story from the bible and read the story before and after we decorate it. It hangs in our entry way and is a great reminder throughout the season of what Christmas is all about. Thanks again for your wisdom.

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By: Shteen http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/comment-page-3/#comment-5936 Shteen Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:27:32 +0000 http://stevebell.com/?p=4948#comment-5936 The pumpkin doesn’t think to much of it eithe….. (it’s probably Mennonite…LOL Was there something funny about Mennonites? Because I guess I didn't read that part. The pumpkin doesn’t think to much of it eithe….. (it’s probably Mennonite…LOL

Was there something funny about Mennonites? Because I guess I didn’t read that part.

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By: Catherine Chambers http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/comment-page-3/#comment-5915 Catherine Chambers Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:11:28 +0000 http://stevebell.com/?p=4948#comment-5915 Hi Steve, A Good read, thanks! I learned recently to use the carving of the pumpkin as a lesson on how we are full of messy sin like the seeds etc and Jesus is the only one who can really clean us out inside. When we are clean we put in the light of Jesus love that shines through us to others. I wish I had known about this when my children were little, it would have been a great way to carve and learn at the same time. Hi Steve, A Good read, thanks! I learned recently to use the carving of the pumpkin as a lesson on how we are full of messy sin like the seeds etc and Jesus is the only one who can really clean us out inside. When we are clean we put in the light of Jesus love that shines through us to others. I wish I had known about this when my children were little, it would have been a great way to carve and learn at the same time.

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By: JJ http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/comment-page-3/#comment-5912 JJ Wed, 02 Nov 2011 00:10:50 +0000 http://stevebell.com/?p=4948#comment-5912 Just a great post! Especially this part: "Personally, it makes me sad that the Church (in part) seems to have retreated into the very fear-based isolation St. Patrick’s lively faith contradicted." Just a great post! Especially this part:

“Personally, it makes me sad that the Church (in part) seems to have retreated into the very fear-based isolation St. Patrick’s lively faith contradicted.”

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By: Avoiding Halloween and Pubs – What Christ called us to do? | Trying Faith http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/comment-page-3/#comment-5909 Avoiding Halloween and Pubs – What Christ called us to do? | Trying Faith Tue, 01 Nov 2011 20:28:33 +0000 http://stevebell.com/?p=4948#comment-5909 [...] Anyway, come to your own conclusions but if you are gonna segregate yourself at least invite your neighbours. Check out this blog on Keeping Christ in Halloween by Steve Bell. http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/  [...] [...] Anyway, come to your own conclusions but if you are gonna segregate yourself at least invite your neighbours. Check out this blog on Keeping Christ in Halloween by Steve Bell. http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/  [...]

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By: Gerald Montpetit http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/comment-page-3/#comment-5906 Gerald Montpetit Tue, 01 Nov 2011 19:51:57 +0000 http://stevebell.com/?p=4948#comment-5906 Halloween is Great opportunity to share Christ where kids are at. I know some kids who have dressed up as Saints like St.Patrick and quickly shared a neat thing about his life to those who asked who he was. We as a family are in full time kids ministry and my wife wanted to hand out candy as well as give kids a choice to choose a free CD or DVD from our collection of kids resources we produce to help kids experience the beauty and richness of knowing Christ. 47 kids in our small community.received the 'sweetness' of Christ by getting a christian CD/DVD. Halloween is Great opportunity to share Christ where kids are at. I know some kids who have dressed up as Saints like St.Patrick and quickly shared a neat thing about his life to those who asked who he was.

We as a family are in full time kids ministry and my wife wanted to hand out candy as well as give kids a choice to choose a free CD or DVD from our collection of kids resources we produce to help kids experience the beauty and richness of knowing Christ.
47 kids in our small community.received the ‘sweetness’ of Christ by getting a christian CD/DVD.

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By: Donna Jordan http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/comment-page-3/#comment-5884 Donna Jordan Tue, 01 Nov 2011 00:26:16 +0000 http://stevebell.com/?p=4948#comment-5884 Bah. You have a point but it feels like justification to me. I like to follow Health Canada's mantra: "When in doubt, throw it out". It is nothing to do with fear. I also don't celebrate Yom Kippur or Ramadan. So? It is those who wish me to participate in Halloween that make it such a big deal. I'm trying to ignore it and go swimming or something, but there is always so much pressure to join in. Why can't I just quietly abstain like I do for so many other things? And I am not judging anyone who does participate. I think a percentage of them wish they would have the guts to take a stand, but just can't do it. So your article makes them feel better and that's why they like it. Others really don't see anything wrong with it. It's their choice. It is not as black and white as some people are making it out to be. So, like I said in the beginning, when in doubt, throw it out. I want to please God out of love for Him, not out of fear. Fear has nothing to do with it. <blockquote>Ha! That's the first comment I've seen that started with "Bah!" Awesome! Donna - do as you please, obviously. My argument is simply that folks need not abstain from participation on the basis of Christian principle when the spread of the very tradition in question is largely because of Christian conviction that Christ has conquered death and triumphed over evil. - Steve </blockquote> Bah. You have a point but it feels like justification to me. I like to follow Health Canada’s mantra: “When in doubt, throw it out”.

It is nothing to do with fear. I also don’t celebrate Yom Kippur or Ramadan. So? It is those who wish me to participate in Halloween that make it such a big deal. I’m trying to ignore it and go swimming or something, but there is always so much pressure to join in. Why can’t I just quietly abstain like I do for so many other things?

And I am not judging anyone who does participate. I think a percentage of them wish they would have the guts to take a stand, but just can’t do it. So your article makes them feel better and that’s why they like it. Others really don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s their choice. It is not as black and white as some people are making it out to be.

So, like I said in the beginning, when in doubt, throw it out. I want to please God out of love for Him, not out of fear. Fear has nothing to do with it.

Ha! That’s the first comment I’ve seen that started with “Bah!” Awesome! Donna – do as you please, obviously. My argument is simply that folks need not abstain from participation on the basis of Christian principle when the spread of the very tradition in question is largely because of Christian conviction that Christ has conquered death and triumphed over evil. – Steve

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By: Elva http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/comment-page-3/#comment-5876 Elva Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:48:36 +0000 http://stevebell.com/?p=4948#comment-5876 Thank-you Steve! I too miss the fun of Halloween. We adults are so consummed with nonsense sometimes. Our kids must scratch their heads in wonder. we love Halloween here, but sadly our little community has opted for the Hallelujah party.... :( I miss little neighobr princesses popping by! Thank-you Steve! I too miss the fun of Halloween. We adults are so consummed with nonsense sometimes. Our kids must scratch their heads in wonder. we love Halloween here, but sadly our little community has opted for the Hallelujah party…. :( I miss little neighobr princesses popping by!

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By: Karen Anderson http://stevebell.com/2009/10/keeping-christ-in-halloween/comment-page-3/#comment-5826 Karen Anderson Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:14:14 +0000 http://stevebell.com/?p=4948#comment-5826 I too remember Halloween as a fun night! My mom made the most incredible costumes for me. My friends and I would roam the neighbourhood streets and collect enough candy to keep us going until the next Oct. 31 rolled around. Mrs. Lawrence, one street over decorated her house and dressed up as a witch. She gave out full sized candy bars if you sang her a song. We always had a tune planned for her. Now I have my own little house in the 'burbs and I hope a few cute kids will show up at my door on Monday evening! Thanks for your refreshing perspective on Halloween and the world! I too remember Halloween as a fun night! My mom made the most incredible costumes for me. My friends and I would roam the neighbourhood streets and collect enough candy to keep us going until the next Oct. 31 rolled around. Mrs. Lawrence, one street over decorated her house and dressed up as a witch. She gave out full sized candy bars if you sang her a song. We always had a tune planned for her. Now I have my own little house in the ‘burbs and I hope a few cute kids will show up at my door on Monday evening! Thanks for your refreshing perspective on Halloween and the world!

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